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« on: July 29, 2015, 10:37:23 pm »
So, has anybody updated yet?

So far the biggest plus I see is that command prompt can go fullscreen xD

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Re: Win10
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2015, 08:13:48 pm »
No, didn't updated yet, but will soon.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 07:42:40 pm »
I did upgrade.
It's fast, solid, stable. The horrible Metro is all gone.
I like it.

But I still use my handy apps: Classic Shell*; CompactTrayMeter; NetSpeedMonitor.

* = If you remove the stupid tiles from Start, it's just a really basic Start Menu.

@DAYMAN: Now CTRL+F also works in CMD! YAY! :D
(And kids, use the new WIN+TAB hotkey.)
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Re: Win10
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2015, 05:43:52 pm »
I will install it this weekend I think if I have some free time. I have some doubts that it still can contain some little bugs. Very happy with W7 right now and don't want to get dissapointed by W10 to be honest that I need to rollback after that.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 02:58:51 pm »
If you upgrade through the wizard/media, Windows will allow you to rollback.
But I still used my external drive and Acronis to make a backup of my C: ... (I don't really trust that rollback tool.)
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Re: Win10
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 09:11:13 pm »
Lots of privacy concerns going around the Web...
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Re: Win10
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 10:30:48 pm »
Yeah, but now Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems will also receive Telemetry (same crap) through Windows Update.
By the way, you can turn all the privacy invasive features in Windows 10.

95% of them at install. (just click Advanced and turn the things off. All of them.)
The rest 5% is in Windows Update (you have to disable it in Advanced); and there is a Privacy settings where you set the feedback level.

It's not that hard, really. Aaand these "privacy" stuff was in Windows 8 too.
Same install, same settings, same botnet.


But meh, who cares.
If people are so afraid, they should use a Leemote laptop with Trisquel.
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

Otherwise... you are using a botnet anyway.
(OS X is just as much a botnet. Remember when some researcher found out Apple has been collecting literally EVERY location data since forever? Yeah well. Let alone the price. For the same money, you can either buy a new powerful Windows laptop, or a 5 year old MacBook Pro with 4gb  of ram and a dusty old Core2Duo CPU. lol.)


Ps.: Most of the people who complain about this stuff are the people who use Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber and the rest of the botnet apps. And they of course use Google accounts, iCloud, etc. Yet, OMG, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! :D
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Re: Win10
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 11:06:09 pm »
The thing is you can't opt-out using default system config switches.

Telemetry can only be disabled in enterprise with group policy or in retail editions by running a lot of commands:
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sc delete dmwappushsvc
sc delete "Diagnostics Tracking Service"
sc delete diagtrack
cd C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Diagnosis\ETLLogs\AutoLogger
cacls AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener.etl /d SYSTEM
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\KernelCeipTask"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\UsbCeip"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Power Efficiency Diagnostics\AnalyzeSystem"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyMonitor"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyRefresh"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ProgramDataUpdater"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\StartupAppTask"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Autochk\Proxy"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Consolidator"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\AitAgent"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\BthSQM"

This also amuses me:

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Basic
 Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we'll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious software protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.
It's like you're forced to enable telemetry, otherwise your system will not work, wow!

If you don't want any antivirus Windows Defender can only be disabled through registry, otherwise Windows will turn it on again.

I understand why MS gathers search history both spoken and written (in regards to Cortana), but sending everything you type to 'improve' services is over the edge.
All above is especially scary after reading privacy statement and services agreement.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
From 'Reasons We Share Personal Data':

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Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
  • comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
  • protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone;
  • operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or
  • protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services - however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer's private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement.

Good faith? Really?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/
From 'Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms' 7b:

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b. Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software.

So if my usb drive doesn't have Microsoft Certified label it will not work or what?


Well, I'd rather stick with Google services; at least they're honest about what they collect, why and what will not work or work another way when you opt-out from something.

To sum up:
  • Absolutely no legal transparency - only "good faith"
  • Absolutely no technical transparency. I think we deserve better explanation on why X info is gathered besides the usual "service improvements"
  • No easy way to opt-out
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Re: Win10
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 11:26:32 pm »
I also heard that the ''Windows update'' from W10 will have an option to download updates from other users, like a peer to peer system. Its automaticly on by default. If any W10 users are experiencing slow or laggy internet this can be a (one of the) cause.

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How to stop Windows 10 from using your PC's bandwidth to update strangers' systems

By default, Windows 10 turns your PC into a server for distributing updates to other machines.

To disable this (how to and original article):
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955491/windows/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html

Im not so eager to update to W10 now like I was 1 week before. I think I will wait a bit before I do update from W7 with all this privacy issues also going on.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2015, 12:08:29 pm »
Lots of privacy concerns going around the Web...
But if one has nothing to hide, ... What IS the problem??

Ps.: Most of the people who complain about this stuff are the people who use Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber and the rest of the botnet apps. And they of course use Google accounts, iCloud, etc. Yet, OMG, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! :D

Plus  credit cards, debit cards,  'loyalty' or 'reward' cards, mobile (cell) phone(s), etc., etc. They want the benefits of 'modern living'  while wanting to be treated as if they were living in a cave in Patagonia with an entrance that is hidden behind a waterfall.

Here's a newsflash for those people; ... ... You can't have it both ways.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2015, 12:35:20 pm »
I agree that you can't have it both ways, but while Google clearly states why it needs your info and what will happen if you disable certain tracking options, Microsoft says something like

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Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we'll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious software protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.

Like I said before it's is absolute lack of transparency and very broad legal statements that bother me the most.

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But if one has nothing to hide, ... What IS the problem??

The problem is that surveillance is becoming something like a standard, a thing to be expected and tolerated in every modern software product. I'm not talking about depersonalized stuff like how many time mouse has been clicked in IE in this particular Windows installation, but about real personal data: contacts, mail, etc...

I don't really mind when given a good description of why this is needed, after all I do this by syncing contacts on my Android device. But when disclosure of this information can be done on a good faith belief, well, that's absolutely unacceptable. It's like we're all taken for potential terrorists/threats to governments; presumption of innocence? well, sorry, never heard of that
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Re: Win10
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2015, 04:59:49 pm »
Compared to Google 'apps' this;
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some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.
is really the best that Microsoft or Apple could say, simply because they do not know what features you will be turning on or installing and what applications that use the "basic information" you may want to add, unlike Google they are not in full control of what applications are produced for Windows and do not go through the "Approved for Windows [version]" testing process.  With Google "play store" installs they already 'know' what the app will access before you install it.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2015, 10:01:52 am »
btw:

- http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/destroy_windows_10_spying.html
- http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/donotspy10.html

@Dayman: Not to defend the botnet, but... Customer Experience Program and Telemetry was also in Windows since XP.
OS X also shares the same - if not more data with Apple - without any control over it.
So yes, it's just the sad future we are headed at.

(well, yes, the settings that you can turn off in the UI - I turned those off.
like in PC Settings -> Privacy.
by the way - you can only turn off telemetry entirely on Enterprise, not Pro/Home.)
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Re: Win10
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2015, 07:12:14 pm »
P.S. Getting this shit since Win8.1. Only restart/hibernate helps:

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Re: Win10
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2015, 05:52:28 pm »
lol wtf

just happened to me today as well, no kidding.
I didn't have this before though, ever since I installed 10.
I think it's a bugged update.

Btw I would not care since I bought a valid Kaspersky, but for some reason https sites stop working after a while if I install it... and it's not even an edition with a firewall - only an anti-virus.
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