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Re: Win10
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2015, 03:39:35 AM »
Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems will also receive Telemetry (same crap) through Windows Update.
Find out which Win8.1 updates you need to avoid in my Win8.1 tweak notes here:
http://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
Read this file:
'WindowsUpdate-MysteryUpdatesToAvoid!.txt'
This note will also tell you which other notes you'll need to read, in order to uninstall that crap, if your system has been infected already.

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For you poor saps that fell for M$'s plot of giving away Win10 for free (*LOL* oldest trick in the book!)..
Here's yet another Win10 anti-spy tool to choose from:
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10/

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Re: Win10
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2015, 01:00:12 PM »
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..
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Re: Win10
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2015, 04:20:30 PM »
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..

I'm not!  :)


Not now .... Not ever.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2015, 07:46:38 PM »
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..

Don't do it, just DON'T!

Win10 the worst Windows EVER, and I would never install that POS on any of my own computers!
The only thing it's got going for it is DirectX 12..
In every other possible way, it really is a huge DOWNGRADE from whatever version of Windows you're using right now.

Even the GUI is so dumbed down (for compatibility with mobile devices) that people with poor eyesight can barely distinguish one thing from another..
It's like technology has moved backwards or something, cuz even Win95 looked ten times better than this junk.
Everything is either white or light grey with hardly any borders at all!

I've wasted a LOT of time, tweaking and disabling various crap and spy settings in Win8.1, and from the looks of it, the amount has doubled in Win10!
..and there are limits to how much time a person is willing to spend fighting his own damn OS, even for people like me.
Win10 can almost be described as being nothing more than one huge spyware package!
M$ is just as bad as Google now, if not worse!

Personally, I've only ever payed for two versions of Windows..
'Windows 98' and 'Windows 8.1'.
As it turns out, these versions will probably be remembered as the "best" one, and the "last usable" one.

Hardware manufacturers has better start prioritizing Linux now, cuz Windows is a dead horse!
R.I.P.!

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Re: Win10
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2015, 08:49:08 PM »
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Don't do it, just DON'T!

I won't for now. Only advantage I see is DirectX 12 but there are no native DirectX 12 games yet so it can wait. Who knows, maybe someone backports it to Windows 7.

YouTube - Windows 10 How To Stop It Spying On You & Logging Your Activity | Step By Step Guide
http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/

The internet is full with this kind of articles. Now we know why this OS was available free for everyone; Your privacy makes this OS free to use.

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Re: Win10
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2015, 02:19:10 AM »

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Re: Win10
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2015, 04:48:28 PM »
@Tomaso: It's unbeliavable how stupid tracker admins can get.
1) they should educate their users in News/Site-wide-PMs
2) they should check if these very serious claims are even true

3)... hmm.. take off the tinfoil hat?

seriously tho, I understand that the system sends stuff to the botnet, but hell, OS X does this.
heck, Linux does this. (major distros)
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Re: Win10
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2015, 07:55:32 PM »
hmm.. take off the tinfoil hat?

..or put another one on top of the one that you've got, cuz the spy features of ANY other OS simply pales in comparison to Win10!:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
If I had set up a torrent tracker, I'd ban the damn thing too!

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Re: Win10
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2015, 02:24:41 AM »
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Keystrokes, Camera and Voice Ports Data – Is Windows 10 Really a Free Upgrade?

Are you still trying to stick to the optimistic side of the game waiting for Microsoft to somehow save its face when it comes to Windows 10 privacy concerns? Latest revelations might help you rethink the way you trust your Windows 10 powered machines.

Windows 10 and its invasive privacy strategies:

Windows 10 is becoming a major privacy disaster and latest revelations just take it up a notch higher, if that was a possibility. According to the latest discovery, Windows 10 is engaged in some dubious communications with Microsoft servers. We already knew that Windows 10 is committed to send some data even when you have disabled those settings, however, the OS is sending your private data without your consent and does that quite frequently too.

You might believe you are making your life more private by disabling all the settings that are set to sending data to Microsoft by default. The truth seems to be otherwise. A Czech publication has revealed that disabling these settings is actually futile. This analyst claims to have analyzed data coming from Windows 10 computers and shares that the keyboard input is stored in temporary files. This data is then periodically sent to the Microsoft telemetry servers. It doesn’t seem to matter if you use a Microsoft account to log on to your computer or not, the operating system sends your data no matter what, including your passwords.

Following are the instances reported by the analysts where it was discovered that data was being sent to the Microsoft servers:

- Text entered is stored in temporary files and an encrypted transfer is made once every 30 minutes to the following servers:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

- The analyst found 35 MB of data being sent to the servers after the web camera was turned on for the first time after Windows 10 activation.

- It is further confirmed that the data from the voice port is indeed being transmitted even when Cortana is disabled. Over 80 MB of data is sent once every 15 minutes, when the computer is idle.

Folks at ArsTechnica also revealed similar results where they found that even with Cortana disabled, searching in Start menu sends requests to the Microsoft servers. It was further noted that Windows 10 sends data to servers related to One Drive when the service is itself disabled:

Windows 10 will periodically send data to a Microsoft server named ssw.live.com. This server seems to be used for OneDrive and some other Microsoft services. Windows 10 seems to transmit information to the server even when OneDrive is disabled and logins are using a local account that isn’t connected to a Microsoft Account. The exact nature of the information being sent isn’t clear—it appears to be referencing telemetry settings—and again, it’s not clear why any data is being sent at all.

And the most troubling part of all which confirms that data is still being delivered when you use a proxy,

We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy.

Microsoft is yet to explain whatever has been discovered since the past two weeks. For now, seems like privacy is topping the chart of the issues that Windows 10 is facing. But that’s not a first, we have already seen tech giants like Google and Apple hunting for more and more data. Let’s see where Microsoft draws a line, if it does decide to draw the limits somewhere.

Source: http://wccftech.com/windows-10-privacy/
Original article with links and such is over there.

Interesting read. Reading almost new articles every day now.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 02:45:49 AM by Nemo »
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Re: Win10
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2015, 10:20:37 PM »
Rolled (actually reinstalled completely) back to 8.1

Also: https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3743.50.html
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Re: Win10
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2015, 12:50:59 PM »
Dunno, werks for me.
Btw no matter how much you try to avoid the Telemetry updates, you will get them.
Either you just use a stock 8.1 + Update and stay unprotected, or use updates, and you will get it eventually.

(yeah sure, some random guy pointed out a few updates that actually never said "telemetry" that THOSE MUST BE the updates.
he never dissected them, nor the person ever gave proof about it.
Microsoft announced it, and then he had this relevation.
to me, it all feels esoterical.

another great example of these tinfoil-hat fellas, is the youtube video that "shows" how Win10 Preview/Insider just screenshots everything and uploads them. the guy on the video takes a blob, and runs a "rsa_decrypt.exe" file - that finishes under a second, and it produces 2 png screenshots.

I mean I understand people are bored and stuff, but put some effort into it at least.)

ps.: OSX, iOS, Ubuntu, Android (on specific vendors/with specific settings) and other systems also have telemetry built in.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2015, 04:38:12 PM »
no matter how much you try to avoid the Telemetry updates, you will get them.

(yeah sure, some random guy pointed out a few updates that actually never said "telemetry" that THOSE MUST BE the updates.
he never dissected them, nor the person ever gave proof about it.

Nonsense.
You only need to monitor the activities on your system to weed out that crap!

Even when installed, the updates can still be removed.
Although, some additional cleaning might be required for some of them.

These are the obvious updates for Win8.1 so far (Last updated on Nov.30.2016):

* KB2976978 (Windows 10 Compatibility / Customer Experience)
* KB3022345 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking) *SUPERSEDED BY KB3068708*
* KB3035583 (Windows 10 Downloader)
* KB3044374 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *SUPERSEDED BY KB3050267, WHICH CONTAINS USEFUL FIXES*
* KB3058168 (Windows 10 Activation)
* KB3068708 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3075249 (Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3080149 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3083325 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *SUPERSEDED BY KB3083711*
* KB3083711 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3112336 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3123862 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3139929 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag for Internet Explorer) *SUPERSEDED BY NEWER UPDATES, WHERE THE NAG HAS BEEN REMOVED*
* KB3150513 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *ONLY OFFERED IF KB2976978 IS INSTALLED*
* KB3173040 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag)
* KB3184143 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag Removal) *ONLY INSTALL IF NEEDED*
* KB******* (All updates labeled as "PREVIEW")
* KB******* (Monthly Quality Rollups, dated November 2016 or later, may contain telemetry, but also useful fixes)
* KB******* (Security Monthly Quality Rollups, dated November 2016 or later, may contain telemetry, but also useful fixes)

* KB3086255 - Prevents SafeDisc protected games from running!
More info here:
http://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/september-2015-windows-updates-kb3086255-breaks-many-games/

Like I've already pointed out, I've got that stuff covered in my Win8.1Pro tweak notes here:
http://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
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Re: Win10
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 10:15:27 PM »
Linux Mint 17.2 Gals & Guys, nobody is 'spying' on you there, :)

The poor relatively poor performance (sluggish UI behaviour) of r17.0 and r17.1 on Core 2 Duo and Pentium 'D' CPUs has gone, so it is very usable and stable on 'older' hardware. Let Micro$oft and App£e  rejoin in their battle to see who can find out the most about their users to their heart's content.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2015, 11:20:33 PM »
Linux Mint 17.2 Gals & Guys, nobody is 'spying' on you there, :)

The poor relatively poor performance (sluggish UI behaviour) of r17.0 and r17.1 on Core 2 Duo and Pentium 'D' CPUs has gone, so it is very usable and stable on 'older' hardware. Let Micro$oft and App£e  rejoin in their battle to see who can find out the most about their users to their heart's content.

No Games :(

Most of those you see on Steam can't really be called native, since they're written in .NET and just bring mono alongside. And WINE will always have it's problems.
Proprietary drivers are still shit w/o KMS support. But reports on rendering performance differ from app to app: somewhere oss driver performs better, somewhere closed-source is way ahead.

P.S. Not a big fan of distros with scheduled releases. Release upgrade may fail miserably.
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Re: Win10
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2015, 12:45:44 AM »
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No Games

Okay, not something I have bothered with, other than playing the odd game of "Freecell" whilst waiting for inspiration to strike.
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