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Title: Win10
Post by: Dayman on July 29, 2015, 10:37:23 pm
So, has anybody updated yet?

So far the biggest plus I see is that command prompt can go fullscreen xD

Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on July 30, 2015, 08:13:48 pm
No, didn't updated yet, but will soon.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 01, 2015, 07:42:40 pm
I did upgrade.
It's fast, solid, stable. The horrible Metro is all gone.
I like it.

But I still use my handy apps: Classic Shell*; CompactTrayMeter; NetSpeedMonitor.

* = If you remove the stupid tiles from Start, it's just a really basic Start Menu.

@DAYMAN: Now CTRL+F also works in CMD! YAY! :D
(And kids, use the new WIN+TAB hotkey.)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on August 03, 2015, 05:43:52 pm
I will install it this weekend I think if I have some free time. I have some doubts that it still can contain some little bugs. Very happy with W7 right now and don't want to get dissapointed by W10 to be honest that I need to rollback after that.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 05, 2015, 02:58:51 pm
If you upgrade through the wizard/media, Windows will allow you to rollback.
But I still used my external drive and Acronis to make a backup of my C: ... (I don't really trust that rollback tool.)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 07, 2015, 09:11:13 pm
Lots of privacy concerns going around the Web...
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 07, 2015, 10:30:48 pm
Yeah, but now Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems will also receive Telemetry (same crap) through Windows Update.
By the way, you can turn all the privacy invasive features in Windows 10.

95% of them at install. (just click Advanced and turn the things off. All of them.)
The rest 5% is in Windows Update (you have to disable it in Advanced); and there is a Privacy settings where you set the feedback level.

It's not that hard, really. Aaand these "privacy" stuff was in Windows 8 too.
Same install, same settings, same botnet.


But meh, who cares.
If people are so afraid, they should use a Leemote laptop with Trisquel.
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

Otherwise... you are using a botnet anyway.
(OS X is just as much a botnet. Remember when some researcher found out Apple has been collecting literally EVERY location data since forever? Yeah well. Let alone the price. For the same money, you can either buy a new powerful Windows laptop, or a 5 year old MacBook Pro with 4gb  of ram and a dusty old Core2Duo CPU. lol.)


Ps.: Most of the people who complain about this stuff are the people who use Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber and the rest of the botnet apps. And they of course use Google accounts, iCloud, etc. Yet, OMG, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! :D
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 07, 2015, 11:06:09 pm
The thing is you can't opt-out using default system config switches.

Telemetry can only be disabled in enterprise with group policy or in retail editions by running a lot of commands:
Code: [Select]
sc delete dmwappushsvc
sc delete "Diagnostics Tracking Service"
sc delete diagtrack
cd C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Diagnosis\ETLLogs\AutoLogger
cacls AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener.etl /d SYSTEM
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\KernelCeipTask"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\UsbCeip"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Power Efficiency Diagnostics\AnalyzeSystem"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyMonitor"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyRefresh"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ProgramDataUpdater"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\StartupAppTask"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Autochk\Proxy"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Consolidator"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\AitAgent"
Disable-ScheduledTask -TaskName "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\BthSQM"

This also amuses me:

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Basic
 Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we'll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious software protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.
It's like you're forced to enable telemetry, otherwise your system will not work, wow!

If you don't want any antivirus Windows Defender can only be disabled through registry, otherwise Windows will turn it on again.

I understand why MS gathers search history both spoken and written (in regards to Cortana), but sending everything you type to 'improve' services is over the edge.
All above is especially scary after reading privacy statement and services agreement.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx)
From 'Reasons We Share Personal Data':

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Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
  • comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
  • protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone;
  • operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or
  • protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services - however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer's private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement.

Good faith? Really?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/ (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/)
From 'Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms' 7b:

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b. Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software.

So if my usb drive doesn't have Microsoft Certified label it will not work or what?


Well, I'd rather stick with Google services; at least they're honest about what they collect, why and what will not work or work another way when you opt-out from something.

To sum up:
P.S.
Quote
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
 Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
 Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
 Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on August 07, 2015, 11:26:32 pm
I also heard that the ''Windows update'' from W10 will have an option to download updates from other users, like a peer to peer system. Its automaticly on by default. If any W10 users are experiencing slow or laggy internet this can be a (one of the) cause.

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How to stop Windows 10 from using your PC's bandwidth to update strangers' systems

By default, Windows 10 turns your PC into a server for distributing updates to other machines.

To disable this (how to and original article):
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955491/windows/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955491/windows/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html)

Im not so eager to update to W10 now like I was 1 week before. I think I will wait a bit before I do update from W7 with all this privacy issues also going on.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on August 08, 2015, 12:08:29 pm
Lots of privacy concerns going around the Web...
But if one has nothing to hide, ... What IS the problem??

Ps.: Most of the people who complain about this stuff are the people who use Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber and the rest of the botnet apps. And they of course use Google accounts, iCloud, etc. Yet, OMG, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! :D

Plus  credit cards, debit cards,  'loyalty' or 'reward' cards, mobile (cell) phone(s), etc., etc. They want the benefits of 'modern living'  while wanting to be treated as if they were living in a cave in Patagonia with an entrance that is hidden behind a waterfall.

Here's a newsflash for those people; ... ... You can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 08, 2015, 12:35:20 pm
I agree that you can't have it both ways, but while Google clearly states why it needs your info and what will happen if you disable certain tracking options, Microsoft says something like

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Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we'll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious software protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.

Like I said before it's is absolute lack of transparency and very broad legal statements that bother me the most.

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But if one has nothing to hide, ... What IS the problem??

The problem is that surveillance is becoming something like a standard, a thing to be expected and tolerated in every modern software product. I'm not talking about depersonalized stuff like how many time mouse has been clicked in IE in this particular Windows installation, but about real personal data: contacts, mail, etc...

I don't really mind when given a good description of why this is needed, after all I do this by syncing contacts on my Android device. But when disclosure of this information can be done on a good faith belief, well, that's absolutely unacceptable. It's like we're all taken for potential terrorists/threats to governments; presumption of innocence? well, sorry, never heard of that
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on August 08, 2015, 04:59:49 pm
Compared to Google 'apps' this;
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some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.
is really the best that Microsoft or Apple could say, simply because they do not know what features you will be turning on or installing and what applications that use the "basic information" you may want to add, unlike Google they are not in full control of what applications are produced for Windows and do not go through the "Approved for Windows [version]" testing process.  With Google "play store" installs they already 'know' what the app will access before you install it.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 09, 2015, 10:01:52 am
btw:

- http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/destroy_windows_10_spying.html
- http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/donotspy10.html

@Dayman: Not to defend the botnet, but... Customer Experience Program and Telemetry was also in Windows since XP.
OS X also shares the same - if not more data with Apple - without any control over it.
So yes, it's just the sad future we are headed at.

(well, yes, the settings that you can turn off in the UI - I turned those off.
like in PC Settings -> Privacy.
by the way - you can only turn off telemetry entirely on Enterprise, not Pro/Home.)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 09, 2015, 07:12:14 pm
P.S. Getting this shit since Win8.1. Only restart/hibernate helps:

Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 11, 2015, 05:52:28 pm
lol wtf

just happened to me today as well, no kidding.
I didn't have this before though, ever since I installed 10.
I think it's a bugged update.

Btw I would not care since I bought a valid Kaspersky, but for some reason https sites stop working after a while if I install it... and it's not even an edition with a firewall - only an anti-virus.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 21, 2015, 03:39:35 am
Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems will also receive Telemetry (same crap) through Windows Update.
Find out which Win8.1 updates you need to avoid in my Win8.1 tweak notes here:
http://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
Read this file:
'WindowsUpdate-MysteryUpdatesToAvoid!.txt'
This note will also tell you which other notes you'll need to read, in order to uninstall that crap, if your system has been infected already.

--

For you poor saps that fell for M$'s plot of giving away Win10 for free (*LOL* oldest trick in the book!)..
Here's yet another Win10 anti-spy tool to choose from:
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10/
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on August 21, 2015, 01:00:12 pm
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on August 21, 2015, 04:20:30 pm
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..

I'm not!  :)


Not now .... Not ever.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 21, 2015, 07:46:38 pm
And im still waiting to update to Windows 10 :P..

Don't do it, just DON'T!

Win10 the worst Windows EVER, and I would never install that POS on any of my own computers!
The only thing it's got going for it is DirectX 12..
In every other possible way, it really is a huge DOWNGRADE from whatever version of Windows you're using right now.

Even the GUI is so dumbed down (for compatibility with mobile devices) that people with poor eyesight can barely distinguish one thing from another..
It's like technology has moved backwards or something, cuz even Win95 looked ten times better than this junk.
Everything is either white or light grey with hardly any borders at all!

I've wasted a LOT of time, tweaking and disabling various crap and spy settings in Win8.1, and from the looks of it, the amount has doubled in Win10!
..and there are limits to how much time a person is willing to spend fighting his own damn OS, even for people like me.
Win10 can almost be described as being nothing more than one huge spyware package!
M$ is just as bad as Google now, if not worse!

Personally, I've only ever payed for two versions of Windows..
'Windows 98' and 'Windows 8.1'.
As it turns out, these versions will probably be remembered as the "best" one, and the "last usable" one.

Hardware manufacturers has better start prioritizing Linux now, cuz Windows is a dead horse!
R.I.P.!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on August 21, 2015, 08:49:08 pm
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Don't do it, just DON'T!

I won't for now. Only advantage I see is DirectX 12 but there are no native DirectX 12 games yet so it can wait. Who knows, maybe someone backports it to Windows 7.

YouTube - Windows 10 How To Stop It Spying On You & Logging Your Activity | Step By Step Guide (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octjhIXkcf0)
http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/ (http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/)

The internet is full with this kind of articles. Now we know why this OS was available free for everyone; Your privacy makes this OS free to use.

Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 23, 2015, 02:19:10 am
Torrent Trackers Ban Windows 10 Over Privacy Concerns:
https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-trackers-ban-windows-10-over-privacy-concerns-150822/
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 24, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
@Tomaso: It's unbeliavable how stupid tracker admins can get.
1) they should educate their users in News/Site-wide-PMs
2) they should check if these very serious claims are even true

3)... hmm.. take off the tinfoil hat?

seriously tho, I understand that the system sends stuff to the botnet, but hell, OS X does this.
heck, Linux does this. (major distros)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 24, 2015, 07:55:32 pm
hmm.. take off the tinfoil hat?

..or put another one on top of the one that you've got, cuz the spy features of ANY other OS simply pales in comparison to Win10!:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
If I had set up a torrent tracker, I'd ban the damn thing too!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on August 25, 2015, 02:24:41 am
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Keystrokes, Camera and Voice Ports Data – Is Windows 10 Really a Free Upgrade?

Are you still trying to stick to the optimistic side of the game waiting for Microsoft to somehow save its face when it comes to Windows 10 privacy concerns? Latest revelations might help you rethink the way you trust your Windows 10 powered machines.

Windows 10 and its invasive privacy strategies:

Windows 10 is becoming a major privacy disaster and latest revelations just take it up a notch higher, if that was a possibility. According to the latest discovery, Windows 10 is engaged in some dubious communications with Microsoft servers. We already knew that Windows 10 is committed to send some data even when you have disabled those settings, however, the OS is sending your private data without your consent and does that quite frequently too.

You might believe you are making your life more private by disabling all the settings that are set to sending data to Microsoft by default. The truth seems to be otherwise. A Czech publication has revealed that disabling these settings is actually futile. This analyst claims to have analyzed data coming from Windows 10 computers and shares that the keyboard input is stored in temporary files. This data is then periodically sent to the Microsoft telemetry servers. It doesn’t seem to matter if you use a Microsoft account to log on to your computer or not, the operating system sends your data no matter what, including your passwords.

Following are the instances reported by the analysts where it was discovered that data was being sent to the Microsoft servers:

- Text entered is stored in temporary files and an encrypted transfer is made once every 30 minutes to the following servers:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

- The analyst found 35 MB of data being sent to the servers after the web camera was turned on for the first time after Windows 10 activation.

- It is further confirmed that the data from the voice port is indeed being transmitted even when Cortana is disabled. Over 80 MB of data is sent once every 15 minutes, when the computer is idle.

Folks at ArsTechnica also revealed similar results where they found that even with Cortana disabled, searching in Start menu sends requests to the Microsoft servers. It was further noted that Windows 10 sends data to servers related to One Drive when the service is itself disabled:

Windows 10 will periodically send data to a Microsoft server named ssw.live.com. This server seems to be used for OneDrive and some other Microsoft services. Windows 10 seems to transmit information to the server even when OneDrive is disabled and logins are using a local account that isn’t connected to a Microsoft Account. The exact nature of the information being sent isn’t clear—it appears to be referencing telemetry settings—and again, it’s not clear why any data is being sent at all.

And the most troubling part of all which confirms that data is still being delivered when you use a proxy,

We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy.

Microsoft is yet to explain whatever has been discovered since the past two weeks. For now, seems like privacy is topping the chart of the issues that Windows 10 is facing. But that’s not a first, we have already seen tech giants like Google and Apple hunting for more and more data. Let’s see where Microsoft draws a line, if it does decide to draw the limits somewhere.

Source: http://wccftech.com/windows-10-privacy/ (http://wccftech.com/windows-10-privacy/)
Original article with links and such is over there.

Interesting read. Reading almost new articles every day now.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 26, 2015, 10:20:37 pm
Rolled (actually reinstalled completely) back to 8.1

Also: https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3743.50.html
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on August 29, 2015, 12:50:59 pm
Dunno, werks for me.
Btw no matter how much you try to avoid the Telemetry updates, you will get them.
Either you just use a stock 8.1 + Update and stay unprotected, or use updates, and you will get it eventually.

(yeah sure, some random guy pointed out a few updates that actually never said "telemetry" that THOSE MUST BE the updates.
he never dissected them, nor the person ever gave proof about it.
Microsoft announced it, and then he had this relevation.
to me, it all feels esoterical.

another great example of these tinfoil-hat fellas, is the youtube video that "shows" how Win10 Preview/Insider just screenshots everything and uploads them. the guy on the video takes a blob, and runs a "rsa_decrypt.exe" file - that finishes under a second, and it produces 2 png screenshots.

I mean I understand people are bored and stuff, but put some effort into it at least.)

ps.: OSX, iOS, Ubuntu, Android (on specific vendors/with specific settings) and other systems also have telemetry built in.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 29, 2015, 04:38:12 pm
no matter how much you try to avoid the Telemetry updates, you will get them.

(yeah sure, some random guy pointed out a few updates that actually never said "telemetry" that THOSE MUST BE the updates.
he never dissected them, nor the person ever gave proof about it.

Nonsense.
You only need to monitor the activities on your system to weed out that crap!

Even when installed, the updates can still be removed.
Although, some additional cleaning might be required for some of them.

These are the obvious updates for Win8.1 so far (Last updated on Nov.30.2016):

* KB2976978 (Windows 10 Compatibility / Customer Experience)
* KB3022345 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking) *SUPERSEEDED BY KB3068708*
* KB3035583 (Windows 10 Downloader)
* KB3044374 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *SUPERSEEDED BY KB3050267, WHICH CONTAINS USEFUL FIXES*
* KB3058168 (Windows 10 Activation)
* KB3068708 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3075249 (Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3080149 (Customer Experience / Diagnostics / Telemetry Tracking)
* KB3083325 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *SUPERSEEDED BY KB3083711*
* KB3083711 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3112336 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3123862 (Windows 10 Compatibility)
* KB3139929 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag for Internet Explorer) *SUPERSEEDED BY NEWER UPDATES, WHERE THE NAG HAS BEEN REMOVED*
* KB3150513 (Windows 10 Compatibility) *ONLY OFFERED IF KB2976978 IS INSTALLED*
* KB3173040 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag)
* KB3184143 (Windows 10 Upgrade Nag Removal) *ONLY INSTALL IF NEEDED*
* KB******* (All updates labeled as "PREVIEW")
* KB******* (Monthly Quality Rollups, dated November 2016 or later, contains telemetry, but also useful fixes)
* KB******* (Security Monthly Quality Rollups, dated November 2016 or later, contains telemetry, but also useful fixes)

* KB3086255 - Prevents SafeDisc protected games from running!
More info here:
http://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/september-2015-windows-updates-kb3086255-breaks-many-games/

Like I've already pointed out, I've got that stuff covered in my Win8.1Pro tweak notes here:
http://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on August 29, 2015, 10:15:27 pm
Linux Mint 17.2 Gals & Guys, nobody is 'spying' on you there, :)

The poor relatively poor performance (sluggish UI behaviour) of r17.0 and r17.1 on Core 2 Duo and Pentium 'D' CPUs has gone, so it is very usable and stable on 'older' hardware. Let Micro$oft and App£e  rejoin in their battle to see who can find out the most about their users to their heart's content.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on August 29, 2015, 11:20:33 pm
Linux Mint 17.2 Gals & Guys, nobody is 'spying' on you there, :)

The poor relatively poor performance (sluggish UI behaviour) of r17.0 and r17.1 on Core 2 Duo and Pentium 'D' CPUs has gone, so it is very usable and stable on 'older' hardware. Let Micro$oft and App£e  rejoin in their battle to see who can find out the most about their users to their heart's content.

No Games :(

Most of those you see on Steam can't really be called native, since they're written in .NET and just bring mono alongside. And WINE will always have it's problems.
Proprietary drivers are still shit w/o KMS support. But reports on rendering performance differ from app to app: somewhere oss driver performs better, somewhere closed-source is way ahead.

P.S. Not a big fan of distros with scheduled releases. Release upgrade may fail miserably.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on August 30, 2015, 12:45:44 am
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No Games

Okay, not something I have bothered with, other than playing the odd game of "Freecell" whilst waiting for inspiration to strike.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on August 30, 2015, 12:34:19 pm
No Games :(

The old Windows games are all abandonware now.
To download, follow the links bellow..


Windows XP Games:

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/273f/lgphkp45k8d14x96g.jpg)

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/64835#post1135411

(Credits to hearywarlot)

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Windows Vista Games:

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3f9a/4bch9viex73bxmb6g.jpg)

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/56428#post942110

(Credits to ElDiabl0)

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Windows 7 Games:

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ff82/2n747t62hyy72jc6g.jpg)

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/56428#post942100

(Credits to ElDiabl0)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on September 05, 2015, 12:22:34 pm
Another Win8 update with vague description came today: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3083325
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: 100% on September 05, 2015, 12:55:24 pm
Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems)

&

Windows 10 and Privacy (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/30/windows-10-and-privacy)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on September 05, 2015, 09:32:02 pm
Oh well, I guess as soon as Gentoo stabilizes most of KDE5 I'm outta here.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on September 06, 2015, 04:38:29 pm
Another Win8 update with vague description came today: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3083325

Strange that I'm not seeing this in Windows Update yet.
Will check again in a few days.

I found this info on it:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30275533-/

The new Group Policy sounds nice, but on the other hand, that Win10 upgrade improvement crap is probably telemetry related, which is something that I definitely DON'T want!
Anyway, the registry trick described in the post below the one that I posted a link to, will probably do the same as that Group Policy.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on September 06, 2015, 04:49:45 pm
Oh well, I guess as soon as Gentoo stabilizes most of KDE5 I'm outta here.

Out of here OR out of there (M$ World) :)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Dayman on September 08, 2015, 12:10:05 am
Out of there I guess :)

But I'll need to keep Windows in a VM anyway, so I can continue doing x64 builds.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on September 08, 2015, 12:31:57 am
How To Geek has a bit of a pop at M$ Windows 10 for 'stealing' users bandwidth (http://www.howtogeek.com/227827/windows-10-is-great-except-for-the-parts-that-are-terrible/) without notice.

Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on September 09, 2015, 04:27:02 pm
*Updated*

https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3688.msg19029.html#msg19029

http://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on September 11, 2015, 05:00:25 am
I like it, is "stable", but hate the way is deigned.

Just really wanna get rid off that dithered windows 10 background on the login screen, also the new notification is annoying, specially the sound.

other than that, is pretty good.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on September 11, 2015, 02:41:16 pm
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Just really wanna get rid off that dithered windows 10 background on the login screen,
QT is the culprit, qbittorrent simply uses the native QT functions.

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also the new notification is annoying, specially the sound.
Same again, qbittorrent calls the QT notification methods.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on September 12, 2015, 03:52:12 pm
The Login Screen on windows doesn't have anything to do with QBitTorrent, either way founded a way to change it.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on September 12, 2015, 04:07:36 pm
ciao is confused :D.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on November 24, 2015, 12:22:52 am
So meanwhile a big update to Windows 10 has been released carrying a new build number 10586 (and im yet to install and test it).
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: netswap on November 26, 2015, 12:18:37 am
So meanwhile a big update to Windows 10 has been released carrying a new build number 10586 (and im yet to install and test it).

Besides resetting some stats and telling me that two programs (one of the was the bluetooth driver) are not compatible with this version of Windows 10 (although they actually are), there are not big changes that seem useful to me (Microsoft Edge).

Also running the RC of qB 3.3.0 is just delicious.  ::)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on November 26, 2015, 12:38:45 am
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Also running the RC of qB 3.3.0 is just delicious.  ::)

Yes, agree :). Its great to see all the latest releases like Qt 5.5.1/libtorrent 1.0.7/boost 1.59 finally build all together. This weekend gets the official stable release (if all goes as planned, im sure it will).
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on November 27, 2015, 10:10:00 am
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So meanwhile a big update to Windows 10 has been released carrying a new build number 10586 (and im yet to install and test it).

Do a disk image with Acronis or Clonezilla or something.
It broke more than half our company applications.

Since then we moved back to 7 and 8.1 respectively.
Do not get me wrong, I am not against progression and things like that.
But the only branch of Windows 10 that SHOULD exist, is the Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB branch.
But that's not the case.

The normal one that you get with the simple Windows 10 and Pro editions, it's like having Gentoo current, Fedora rawhide, openSUSE factory, and so on.

And of course you cannot just buy that Enterprise license / use the LTSB branch.

ps.: LTSB is like how 7 and 8.1 were.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on November 28, 2015, 01:05:05 am
Also running the RC of qB 3.3.0 is just delicious.  ::)
kinda wish I was able to download the 3.3.0 version
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on November 28, 2015, 03:57:04 pm
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3684.0.html

https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3969.0.html


Title: Re: Win10
Post by: bloodybunny on November 30, 2015, 02:39:33 pm
Just a heads up whit build 10586 if you use Network Sharing

http://www.tenforums.com/network-sharing/30149-home-network-discovery-not-working-after-latest-w10-update.html

http://www.tenforums.com/network-sharing/31221-windows-10-1511-network-browsing-issue.html

I can't see my own pc on network on the new build. As a work around you need to revert to preview build.

Edit: Seems to be fixed on my end. At list my pc appears on network now.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on February 07, 2016, 09:14:12 pm
Im thinking to update my Windows 7 to Windows 10, but are there still issues with qBittorrent running on it? If some Windows 10 users can confirm there isn't I will give it a try soon.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on February 08, 2016, 12:57:27 pm
qBittorrent worked for me on Win10.
(It's literally a Windows 8.1 with the telemetry on top.)

But Telemetry issue is still there.
Rushed, broken, unexplained updates issue is still there.
Ads in start menu, and in UWP apps are still there.

There is zero appeal to upgrade, only DX12.
Which is not supported in any AAA games yet, and only GTX 9xx cards supports it 100%.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on February 08, 2016, 09:46:22 pm
I will wait a bit more then. Im still happy with W7 at the moment but after some time I get the feeling to try something newer.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 08, 2016, 10:10:35 pm
I will wait a bit more then.
For what?
If anything, things are only going to get worse!

Just install Win8.1Pro, then grab my tweak notes:
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
..and stay away from the updates that I've listed here:
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3688.msg19029.html#msg19029
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 09, 2016, 01:05:45 am
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For what?
If anything, things are only going to get worse!

Couldn't agree more, .. Everybody whom I know have tried Windows 10 have not had a good word for it.


Well they have had a few good words, but none of them are printable here. And if the GWX "nagware" gets annoying, there is a removal tool at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

One of them was so pi$$ed  off with it on her working machine (self-employed) she went and bought a Mac! then put the Windows machine on ebay.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on February 09, 2016, 09:31:45 am
I will wait a bit more then. Im still happy with W7 at the moment but after some time I get the feeling to try something newer.

You can always just install Windows 8.1.
It's like the LTSB branch of Windows 10, but you can actually get this OS*.

- Stable.
- It works.
- No telemetry bs.

But, compared to Windows 7, the only plus thing is Onedrive's Sparse Files, and fast(er) boot.
Though, "odrive" can also do this for you on 7 and 10 too.
Ok, I would not trust a third party with all my private files too much.

* You cannot just buy an LTSB license, you need to buy a VL, and Microsoft won't even respond until you are ready to buy like 50-250 licenses at once. And there is Windows 10 Pro, which again, receives these destructive stupid updates, even if you tick "Defer Updates". Microsoft promised us these "update rings", that insiders would test updates. This, of course, never happened. They usually have these half baked "comprehensive updates", that don't even have descriptions, they are just "updates". And you get them in days. There is no testing, no triaging. Did it brake your system? You should not complain, "it's free!".

tl;dr: Windows 10 is not suitable for business, professional, work, or even gaming use.
It's only use is to browse Facebook. Until an update breaks that too.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 10, 2016, 08:32:01 pm
Windows 10 Worst Secret Spins Out Of Control:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/09/windows-10-data-tracking-spying-levels/
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: netswap on February 10, 2016, 10:15:13 pm
For now, I have 2 machines running Windows:
My laptop - Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
My PC (mainly used now) - Windows 10 Home 64-Bit

I used to upgrade to Windows 10 on my laptop, which was the worst decision I made (besides buying it, since ASUS does not support Linux with drivers ect.).
But Windows 10 being pre-installed on my PC is pretty fine, since it is installed on a SSD - fast, decently looking, and stable.
Concluded (imo) Preinstalled > upgraded

Sure some things are better in Windows 7 (explorer, start menu), but I found my way through Win10, though, because of some stupid DRM, many games I own are not playable anymore (thanks SecuRom!). But for this, I have my laptop ;D
What I loved about installing Windows 10 on both machines was the option to "use the recommended settings" - to send all data homewards to MS, and to use Cortana, which I find is a nice gimmick, but nothing more. My friends actively use Cortana, and probably use more of the possibilities Windows 10 provides - but as for me, I just need a working OS. Ticking off all location things and whatnot, I do not care anymore about the spying things.

Nowadays we keep using many things sending private data to the app's devs, we've become a glass society, where no data is safe anymore at any point, though using this and that encrypted services.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 14, 2016, 12:57:54 pm
I do not care anymore about the spying things
That's exactly the kind of attitude that has gotten us into this mess.
Since almost no one seems to care these days, there are no limits as to how far M$ and Google will be able to push this sort of crap!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 14, 2016, 03:06:57 pm
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That's exactly the kind of attitude that has gotten us into this mess.

There is also a huge amount of hysterical (in the 'panic stricken screaming' sense of the word) paranoia about who is 'watching' who, why "they" might be 'watching' and what are "they" doing with whatever 'they' find out and of most of the "You are being watched" is complete and utter bull shit. Some from people who really should know better but choose no to, and a great deal more from people who actually do NOT know much about anything, but "read it on the Internet" or heard it from "some bloke in the pub".

Whenever any statement of 'fact' starts with.

"They don't want you to know this .... But"

or

"Nobody knows this .... But"

It's a pretty safe bet that a load of imaginary bull shit WILL follow the 'But'.





Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on February 14, 2016, 06:06:26 pm
By the way this is the scariest thing I have ever seen:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/220588-new-windows-10-stats-show-microsoft-is-closely-watching-you-but-is-it-an-issue

This data mining also keeps me from using my Onedrive storage.
There is "Boxcryptor", but it's not really flexible.

Feels dumb that you pay for a service and you have to fear from it... it's crazy.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 14, 2016, 09:51:49 pm
I just don't 'get' this whole furore about companies 'spying' on users. It is really just total bullshit be people who REALLY DO NOT understand what is actually being being done.

Just like EVERY OTHER service provider in the ENTIRE WORLD, from your local council, municipal area, county, state, local store, supermarket, shopping mall, garage, filling station and so on.

And the answer is, ... ... They NEED to know how many people/users they ARE servicing and HOW that service may need to change to improve that service.

Governments have a census so they KNOW how many school places and teachers, hospitals and medical staff may be needed in a given area  in the next ten years or so.
They take traffic surveys, that used to be done by people standing at junctions, or  pneumatic roadside counters, now it is done by traffic cameras so the information on road use can be collected to enable a road repair strategy. Shops need to know what customers buy so they can have the right stock in place, they need to know when people go shopping so they can have enough checkout operators etc.

It is just the same with Google, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Yahoo, Yandex, Baidu, and anybody else who needs to keep providing and refining their service for their customers.  would you prefer that these services stayed as they were when they first started or would you prefer them to be improved and enhanced with the anonymous information that was received.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on February 15, 2016, 07:29:00 am
Im thinking to update my Windows 7 to Windows 10, but are there still issues with qBittorrent running on it? If some Windows 10 users can confirm there isn't I will give it a try soon.
like what issues haven't found any to be honest.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Nemo on February 16, 2016, 12:15:05 am
There was an issue with lag and sound problems in the past when qBittorrent was running. I also heard (true or not, can't confirm) that P2P applications in general work better with W7 then with W10. All these might be fixed by now or didn't happen for the most people anyway. Im just curious IF there is any problems or not. I still like W7 so I might just stay with it for a while, or just go ahead and try it out when I have free time.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 16, 2016, 01:09:57 am
Here you are gals and guys, if you want to know and understand a little more about why companies and government are 'tracking' your behaviour.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x387n7u
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 16, 2016, 08:31:42 am
Here you are gals and guys, if you want to know and understand a little more about why companies and government are 'tracking' your behaviour.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x387n7u

Yeah, yeah, yeah..
We all know their silly excuses, and how this will make lives SO much better for us!

The insane amount of work M$ has put into preventing users from disabling these features, should be enough to make anyone question their intensions though..
In fact, except from using hardware firewall setups with advanced filtering, no one has been able to disable it yet!

When it comes to explanations, this seems like a more plausible one to me:
http://www.techpowerup.com/194506/microsoft-unveils-state-of-the-art-cybercrime-center.html
..except, no hardened cyber criminals will actually use Win10, so their catches will be limited to script kiddies and software pirates.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: netswap on February 16, 2016, 02:56:03 pm
There was an issue with lag and sound problems in the past when qBittorrent was running. [...]
I am getting some sound lags here and then, though I am not completely sure if it is qBittorrent's fault. Even if, I do not care, it isn't that annoying (though Windows 7 indeed does not have these problems). Downloading/Seeding with Win10 does not seem any different to Windows 7. In fact, qBittorrent is seeding better with Windows 10 than it ever did with Windows 7 (imo).

I do not care anymore about the spying things
That's exactly the kind of attitude that has gotten us into this mess. [...]
You are free to change it then!

I changed my attitude towards "spying" and whatnot, just because one CANNOT prevent it anymore. There are certain ways to circumvent this and that spying thingies, but you won't be able to be super-safe, and feel completely anonymous.
I gave up a while ago, just like Peter Sunde (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pirate-bay-founder-peter-sunde-i-have-given-up). The war is already lost. Sure he pointed it out for the internet, but the battle of privacy is lost, too.
The main reason I still stick to Windows is that I am an avid gamer, and most games are optimized just for the most used OS in the world. OSX and/or Linux are supported too (in some cases), but then there are some side effects.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 16, 2016, 09:14:30 pm
There has never been a 'battle for 'privacy on the Internet' there can be no such thing as total privacy, if the Internet is going to continue and develop. People trying to hide things and 'cover their tracks'  is the antithesis of an open system that is available to anyone and everyone.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on February 16, 2016, 11:02:07 pm
I personally don't care about "muh privacy" but I removed a couple of creepy settings asap on windows 10, and I am still waiting for something to delete all the apps it came with feels like all they do is be annoying.

Except for the calculator.

There was an issue with lag and sound problems in the past when qBittorrent was running. I also heard (true or not, can't confirm) that P2P applications in general work better with W7 then with W10. All these might be fixed by now or didn't happen for the most people anyway. Im just curious IF there is any problems or not. I still like W7 so I might just stay with it for a while, or just go ahead and try it out when I have free time.
Haven't gotten the audio problem in a long time. don't know about the second complaint but imo I think it's bullshit.

Also never understood why people never moved to windows 8 it was faster, if you disliked the start you can change it back with classicshell or starisback, that's what I did.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 17, 2016, 05:41:32 pm
Personally, I'm not a big fan of Apple products (too restrictive), but I've gotta salute them for this:
https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
I bet we'll never see such a letter from M$!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: dragons4life on February 18, 2016, 01:57:57 am
Personally, I'm not a big fan of Apple products (too restrictive), but I've gotta salute them for this:
https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
I bet we'll never see such a letter from M$!

Don't you think you hate "M$" a little too much.. it's kinda getting to the point of being weird man.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on February 18, 2016, 03:25:39 pm
Don't you think you hate "M$" a little too much
Hate them?
I've practically been using all M$ Windows versions they've ever released, from 3.0 till 8.1, and it has always been my prefered OS.
..and yes, I've even payed for it!
It's very frustrating for us long-time users to see which path they've choosen now..
They obviously don't give a shit about their customers privacy anymore!
Young people don't know any better, but this spying stuff WILL boil over some day!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on February 19, 2016, 01:56:39 am
......
I bet we'll never see such a letter from M$!

Well, they haven't managed to make an OS that secure yet :)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on February 27, 2016, 09:11:52 pm
......
I bet we'll never see such a letter from M$!

Well, they haven't managed to make an OS that secure yet :)
That is the problem though isn't it?
Personally idgaf about microsoft collecting and anonymising information from me to improve their service.
What i do however have a bone with is the level of information they take (win10 is passive mic recording & active keylogging afaik)

If they want that level of information they better 2048bit encrypt it because win10 laptop + public wifi = MiM/Sniffing attacks.

Honestly once vulkan api gets into swing there wont be much reason for ANYONE to stick around on microsoft based operating systems (atm its what? ease of use/familiarity & games?)
Linux Mint is pretty cool.

Also unrelated but you guys need to update the "What yr it is now" question for registering/posting, or even better install google's recaptcha?
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Peter on February 28, 2016, 11:37:41 am
Vulcan is still behind DX11. Sadly.
And I don't know how Nvidia cards will do because AMD had GCN + Mantle first.

Seriously, it's like Nvidia Gameworks all over again.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Killua on March 26, 2016, 01:32:37 am
My laptop isn't that fast so can't play AAA games, don't need Windows anymore, I'm fine with Linux Mint  8)

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Also unrelated but you guys need to update the "What yr it is now" question for registering/posting, or even better install google's recaptcha?

Hehehe yeah, it happened when i registered a few days ago, i was about to give up, but got the idea to try with previous years  ::)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on March 28, 2016, 06:20:32 pm
For Win7/8.1 users who doesn't want to mess around too much with gpedit/regedit, this handy tool will set you up real quick!..

Never10 (Freeware):
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
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Never 10 is an easy to use utility which gives users control over whether their Windows 7 or 8.1 will upgrade itself to Windows 10.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d05d/tyi6cz947v6h6bn6g.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 04:47:36 pm
For Win7/8.1 users who doesn't want to mess around too much with gpedit/regedit, this handy tool will set you up real quick!..

Never10 (Freeware):
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
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Never 10 is an easy to use utility which gives users control over whether their Windows 7 or 8.1 will upgrade itself to Windows 10.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d05d/tyi6cz947v6h6bn6g.jpg)

I found that simply taking ownership of the GWX folder in system32 and then deleting everything in it does the trick ;)
Very easy to batch script aswell if you accidently a GWX update.. (you can just uninstall all the KBs related to windows10, which i dont think your utility does?)
That was until microsoft pushed the next "recommended" update to re-install GWX a few weeks later.
You really need to read those/disable automatic now if you dont want windows 10.

Speaking of unwanted updates, linux mint in cinnamon flavor got rekt last month.
Only noticed when i recommended mint as a "secure" and "easy to use" flavour of linux to a friend.
Was quite amusing..
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on March 29, 2016, 05:32:45 pm
you can just uninstall all the KBs related to windows10, which i dont think your utility does?)

It's not "my" utility.
I actually prefer to do things manually too..
Which should be apparent from my posts here:
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3688.msg19029.html#msg19029
:)
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 06:29:35 pm
you can just uninstall all the KBs related to windows10, which i dont think your utility does?)

It's not "my" utility.
I actually prefer to do things manually too..
Which should be apparent from my posts here:
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,2872.msg13610.html#msg13610
https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php/topic,3688.msg19029.html#msg19029
:)
I believe that was a slang "your" as in you linked it, my knowledge of it came from you thus it belongs to you!

There was another KB update under a different name that was pushed last tuesday for GWX on windows 8 than what you have listed btw (according to an RSS feed of mine at least..)

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My laptop isn't that fast so can't play AAA games, don't need Windows anymore, I'm fine with Linux Mint  8)

IIRC wine can still emulate windows well enough to play triple A games (friend is currently playing GTA5 on his ubuntu machine) Its actually arch linux, my mistake..
Requires like twice the specs that native windows does tho..

/e: Apparantly hes done some magic with his kernel to allow VMs to fully utilize his GPU and is using qemu + windows 10

/e2: Whats everyones favourite flavour of *nix? *proceeds to hijack a windows thread*
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: Tomaso on March 29, 2016, 07:56:06 pm
There was another KB update under a different name that was pushed last tuesday for GWX on windows 8 than what you have listed btw

Nah, it was just a new revision of one of the old ones.
That being said, my blacklist isn't half as long as some of the most paranoid ones out there.
..But really, considering the way M$ has been acting lately, I can't blame people for being suspicious!

Also, recently there was the mysterious phantom update KB3103709..
M$ never released any documentation for it (so I obviously never installed it).
Several days later, they actually removed it!
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 08:41:20 pm
There was another KB update under a different name that was pushed last tuesday for GWX on windows 8 than what you have listed btw

Nah, it was just a new revision of one of the old ones.
That being said, my blacklist isn't half as long as some of the most paranoid ones out there.
..But really, considering the way M$ has been acting lately, I can't blame people for being suspicious!

Also, recently there was the mysterious phantom update KB3103709..
M$ never released any documentation for it (so I obviously never installed it).
Several days later, they actually removed it!
Had a friend recently ask me if trustedinstaller.exe was malware.
I told him no if its in your %windir%\servicing folder and microsoft signed its legitimate.
He replied "Then why does it keep trying to replace my operating system with something i dont want?"

Thought he was telling a joke because i laughed, apparantly he was serious.
Says alot about microsoft ;/

/e: Heard about that one, my girls pc got served it + didnt install/download it though.
Probably should have for curiosity sake looking back now lol
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on March 29, 2016, 08:47:40 pm
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Speaking of unwanted updates, linux mint in cinnamon flavor got rekt last month.

Assuming 'rekt'  means "attacked" or something similar, it wasn't actually installed versions on users computers that were attacked, it was that one of the ISO  mirrors had an ISO of the distro available that had been modified to include malware, there is no concern to  any one with existing installs or .iso's downloaded before or since.

The mint blog has more details.
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994

HOWEVER: If every one downloading the iso had checked the signatures (hash sums)  of the downloaded files, before using them, absolutely nobody would have been affected.

Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 09:09:14 pm
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Speaking of unwanted updates, linux mint in cinnamon flavor got rekt last month.

Assuming 'rekt'  means "attacked" or something similar, it wasn't actually installed versions on users computers that were attacked, it was that one of the ISO  mirrors had an ISO of the distro available that had been modified to include malware, there is no concern to  any one with existing installs or .iso's downloaded before or since.

The mint blog has more details.
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994

HOWEVER: If every one downloading the iso had checked the signatures (hash sums)  of the downloaded files, before using them, absolutely nobody would have been affected.
I was more referring to the month long forums/site compromise before they reacted to it.
https://twitter.com/ChunkrGames/status/688346150622081024
Compromised ISOs dealt with in < 1 day and quick disclosure once made aware of the issue was 10/10 handling.

Reading the link you posted it also appears the MD5 signature listed on the site to validate the ISOs was also replaced, so anyone who validated it on the day would have trusted it.
Honestly the best thing to come out of this is the inclusion of GPG signing in later releases.
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3007

/e: MD5 hash as the ONLY point of authenticity (which they had/still have at point of writing) is a joke.
A "decent" not even "amazing" PC can manufacture an md5 collision in less than 1hour, had the attacker done that then its plausible (read: very likely given the community for linux mint is mainly casual users interested in ubuntu alternatives or branched off ubuntu due to unity's search and usage tracking behaviour god that was a mouthful) that the backdoor would still be undetected until the next mint iso release, and even then  the guy had site access, he could just repeat the same thing til detected.
They got "rekt" had the person attacking them thought it out more they could have done alot more damage/stayed undetected far longer.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on March 29, 2016, 09:45:27 pm
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I was more referring to the month long forums/site compromise before they reacted to it.
That is not what you said or implied

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Speaking of unwanted updates, linux mint in cinnamon flavor got rekt last month.
Only noticed when i recommended mint as a "secure" and "easy to use" flavour of linux to a friend..

Says or implies that the Linux mint updates were infiltrated and the operating system was therefore compromised. .... And that is very different from the forum database being 'stolen'
The database at THIS forum was compromised and user details MAY have been stolen (passwords were encrypted so were fairly useless to the cracker)  but THAT in absolutely no way meant that qbittorrent has a 'security problem'.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 09:55:31 pm
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I was more referring to the month long forums/site compromise before they reacted to it.
That is not what you said or implied

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Speaking of unwanted updates, linux mint in cinnamon flavor got rekt last month.
Only noticed when i recommended mint as a "secure" and "easy to use" flavour of linux to a friend..

Says or implies that the Linux mint updates were infiltrated and the operating system was therefore compromised. .... And that is very different from the forum database being 'stolen'
The database at THIS forum was compromised and user details MAY have been stolen (passwords were encrypted so were fairly useless to the cracker)  but THAT in absolutely no way meant that qbittorrent has a 'security problem'.
Qbittorent forums doesnt serve downloads, linuxmint.com does.
New downloads for linux mint came with backdoors, the official MD5 displayed on the website was altered, there was potential for a MD5 collision to mask this due to lax authentication methods from the provider.
Database breach lasted for a full month after been reported as leaked.
Actual ISO files were replaced with malicious files leading to new installations and ISO based updates been compromised.
Damage was limited frankly due to luck and fast response.

That level of intrustion is pretty severe no?

And yes im aware these forums were reportedly hacked, thats why i made a throwaway email for use here ;p

Back off/ontopic (bit old but i never really looked hard into win10)
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/windows_hardware_certification/2015/04/01/driver-signing-changes-in-windows-10/
RIP Sony Playstation Controller XInput drivers?
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on March 29, 2016, 10:46:40 pm
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Qbittorent forums doesnt serve downloads, linuxmint.com does.

I'm obviously missing the point there, having the forum user database is NOT very likely  to grant access to any higher level server operations,  so how is that relative?
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 29, 2016, 10:56:15 pm
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Qbittorent forums doesnt serve downloads, linuxmint.com does.

I'm obviously missing the point there, having the forum user database is NOT very likely  to grant access to any higher level server operations,  so how is that relative?
I think you missed the point where the database breach wasnt solely their forums database, they got server shell access as well due to sloppy security.
The comparison you drew between qbittorents forums been breached and linux mints attack was an apples and oranges scenario.

http://thehackernews.com/2016/02/linux-mint-hack.html
"What had happened" paragraph.

Honestly im not even sure what you're argueing anymore?
Qbittorent forums database been hacked wouldnt be a major issue if it was solely the database and you were made aware before an administrative password was decrypted, and that would only be a concern if it was doubled up elsewhere.

What happened to linux mint is barely even comparable in terms of scale when related to qbit forums.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on March 30, 2016, 12:18:24 am
Thanks for the link, not something I had seen before.

But on reading this bit;

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Hackers believed to have accessed the underlying server via the team's WordPress blog and then got shell access to www-data.

I am not all surprised they gained access via WordPress, no matter how many times claim that Automattic say that the latest version is definitely secure nobody should seriously take that as fact, and trusting WordPress and any "Security plugins" on a 'high visibility' domain where the hosting user account has shell access is nothing short of crazy.

I have more scripts that run on our servers just  to catch 'known' WordPress exploits (seven WordPress installs out of a few hundred others)   and scripts that catch the very common "code injection" attacks that use the WordPress core functions  to manipulate permissions. Plus NO one, absolutely NO ONE (including myself) who plans to use Wordpress for their site gets 'shell' access on that account.
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: KitKat on March 30, 2016, 01:01:37 am
I am not all surprised they gained access via WordPress, no matter how many times claim that Automattic say that the latest version is definitely secure nobody should seriously take that as fact, and trusting WordPress and any "Security plugins" on a 'high visibility' domain where the hosting user account has shell access is nothing short of crazy.

I have more scripts that run on our servers just  to catch 'known' WordPress exploits (seven WordPress installs out of a few hundred others)   and scripts that catch the very common "code injection" attacks that use the WordPress core functions  to manipulate permissions. Plus NO one, absolutely NO ONE (including myself) who plans to use Wordpress for their site gets 'shell' access on that account.
IIRC the word press server was the same server as linuxmint.com not shared credentials.
Could be misreading though, its from a Clem reply to a comment here:
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
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Edit by Clem: What really helps here is duplication and the community. We were alerted very fast and we were able to be alerted because people could find contradicting MD5s (and that’s mostly because the MD5s aren’t just in one place, but in many). Another thing which is going to help is to buy more servers and separate services even more. That way, if somebody hacks say wordpress, there’s only wordpress on that server and nothing else.

More WordPress related botches, ransomware fun & more info about linuxmint than the last link i posted.
https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/02/wordpress-ransomware-teslacrypt-mint-linux-hacked/

Kinda sad/funny the hospital tech staff werent competant enough to perform an shadow volume restore and recovery :/
That method works vs latest teslacrypt..
Even sadder that they didnt have an offsite/offline/read-only backup..
Title: Re: Win10
Post by: ciaobaby on March 30, 2016, 02:24:17 pm
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the word press server was the same server as linuxmint.com not shared credentials.
linuxmint.com is on a cluster  and the modified ISO was on just one of the servers in the download mirrors, rather than being on the primary.

Trust me; with WordPress on a  server it does NOT need to have any "shared credentials", to lay waste to the average or even slightly above average server security measures and if you add cPanel into the mix it makes the "crackers" task just a little bit easier. So if any of you run a Wordpress 'blog' on hosting that uses WHM/cPanel and the blog is fairly well known, I suggest that you install this plugin (https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/all-in-one-wp-security-and-firewall/) and at the very least use the "Security Scanner" to alert you if there are any files that have been modified since the previous scan